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or he was trying to capture a strong pokemon in which to enslave the world?
^This.
The thing is, in Generation 1 Ghost Pokemon couldn’t attack Psychic types.. Argument = Invalid.
Ghost Pokémon can’t attack Psychic types, you say? Explain why my Haunter rips through them in Yellow. ;-P
Pretty much. He just wanted all the power to himself.
none of this theorizing is anything. this idea was stolen from the second season of the nuzlocke web comic.
THANK YOU. I was hoping that someone would catch that in the first couple comments.
Applause to this gentleman right here.
OR he was trying to initiate a fail-safe in case Mewtwo went against Master’s wishes.
I was gonna say that… aha!
And because he was so eager to save the world, he just stopped because a 10 year old kid defeated him a couple of times? And then he didn’t even bother to tell him the truth?
And why does he have to catch an actual Ghost, when he can have any Ghost-Pokémon he wants?
The only Ghost-type Pokémon in the original games were Gastly and Haunter, both of which appeared us actual ghosts unless you used the Silph Scope to see their true forms.
Apparently Gengar doesn’t exist. He’s a ghost too. Even so, Ghastly, Haunter, and Gengar are also Poison pokemon, because of this, Mewtwo has a chance to defeat them.
You have to trade haunter to get a gengar. So it stands that a gengar can not be found in the wild and thus the only two pokemon you’d use the silph scope to find are ghastly and haunter.
The Marrowak also appeared as a ghost since it ACTUALLY was a ghost
Gengar…
By the time you encountered a Gengar, you would have been forced to obtain the Silph Scope.
I think pokemega32 meant to say the only wild Ghost-types.
Which is funny, because they’re half poison and thus, weak to psychic. His plan had a bit of a fatal flaw.
Then again, there’s a reason they introduced dark in gen 2.
Yeah, I meant wild Pokemon. You can only get a Gengar by evolving a Haunter.
Anyone can see a ghost, but you need the Silph Scope to know what it is. Have you played Red or Blue?
You’ve mixed up the games and the anime. Not to mention, Giovanni didn’t clone mew- Blaine and a team of scientists on Cinnabar Island did. And I don’t think he ever managed to get the master ball- the CEO of Silph wouldn’t hand it over. It would be less of a stretch to say I was going to use the Master Ball on Mewtwo. The ghost element here is redundant.
He*
Blaine created Mewtwo in Pokémon Special/Adventures.
Mr. Fuji was responsible for it in the games.
But the manga was pretty epic. I wish it got its own show instead of the perpetual 10 year old. just because pedobear approves doesn’t mean I do.
I couldn’t agree more.
Blaine is the most epic gym leader that ever was, by the way.
Sort of, Blaine and Fuji were both Team Rocket scientists that helped in the creation of Mewtwo and they were best friends. Blaine retired to being a gym leader and Fuji started being a caretaker to seek retribution.
Maybe not. The only ghost types in Gen 1 were also part poison, so weak to psychic. Add in the fact that ghost moves didn’t affect psychic types in the Gen 1 games and Giovanni could have used them as a way to train Mewtwo without any risk of hurting it.
That’s assuming that the games and the anime fit together, of course.
Team Rocket had nothing to do with Mewtwo in the games.
Or so you think
yeah but they dont tell you how he came into existance in the game.
They do tell how Mewtwo came into existance in the games – you just have to read the diary entries in the destroyed laboratory on Cinnabar Island. In there they told that they found a Pokemon which they called Mew and that later said Mew gave birth and they called the baby Pokemon Mewtwo.
And in the first generation, Ghost Attacks were not very effective against Psyche Pokémon …
There are so many flaws in the logic of this – how could this possibly make the frontpage?!
Because if you work out some of the flaws, it really is a good theory. Or it just makes absolutely no sense and the mods like that.
I think Lick got super effective when it hit a psychic pokémon, but the fact that Lick is about as strong as… well licking…
psychic was just overpowered in 1st gen with no good ghost and bug attacks
It was a problem that they made; they indented ghost to be supper effective (as the show and almost every strategy guide at the time says it was) but it ended up not effecting it.
Ghost was always good against psychic.
Also, Nuzlocke said all of this first
No it wasn’t. In Generation I, Ghost didn’t affect Psychic types at all.
I just beat the elite 4 in red version (started playing a new game recently). Level 45 Kadabra crushed Agatha (two hits to take down her level 60 Gengar). I think it’s safe to say that psychic was super effective against ghost type (in gen 1 at least).
That said, nightshade did take some serious chunks out of Kadabra during the fight so ghost definitely affected psychic.
The ghost pokemon in red/blue (Gastley, Haunter and Gengar) were Ghost/Poison type, psychic moves are super effective against poison types but deal regular damage against ghost types (which is silly, it should be unnafective) which is why psychic owned the ghosts in gen 1
In gen I pokemons only have 1 type…
Venusaur, moltres, slowbro and poliwrath too name a few othe 2 types, you sir/ma’am are wrong.
Are you kidding me? So you think that Pidgey was normal only? And Butterfree was bug only? And Omanyte was rock only? Congratulations.
Ok, you clearly know less than you think. The reason your kadabra was able to defeat Gengar is because POISON is weak to psychic, not ghost. Psychic should hit ghost for normal damage.
Psychic was super effective because gengar is ghost AND poison. Psychic is super effective against poison and neutral against ghost. Nightshade in Gen 1 effects everything regardless of immunities, just like seismic toss effects ghosts in gen 1. Very incorrect, bro.
I stand corrected. I forgot that the first gen ghosts had poison as a type. Honestly I was somewhat confused about this because I specifically remembered the episode where Ash had to get a Haunter to beat Sabrina.
It was Giovanni’s team controlling and abusing Mewtwo that made Mewtwo “evil”. Which, he really isn’t. He’s the savior of the Clone pokemon and just wants him and his ‘brothers and sisters’ to be left alone, to live in peace.
Exactly.
Plus OP didn’t see ‘Mewto returns’, where Giovanni attempts to gain control of Mewto once more by force
Who says he’s trying to save the world and not just capture Mewtwo for his own nefarious purposes? To maybe dominate the world? Just a thought.
Okay, who remembers this plot point from the Nuzlocke.com comics?
Took the words straight from my mouth!
me.
i was going to make that comment btw. you beat me to it.
curse you mechamew2
I was going to make that comment, as well. Curse you two!
Anyway:
“Look who learned how to rip-off a Nuzlocke.com’s plotline! And he also learned how to use a white font on paint, how cute.”
well i guess that pretty much sums this up, making my comment superfluous…
I got it from pokemon tower defense.
my thoughts exactly…
Was here to say the same thing.
The ‘fossil pokémon’ thing was also funny :p
Can’t control the world if it’s destroyed. Just saying.
You’d control nothing, and the world would also be nothing.
VICTORY.
Just copy Cyrus. Destroy the world, NOW MAKE A NEW ONE!
Silph created a device for finding ghosts, which scare, or “terrorize”, people. The master ball is the only thing that can easily catch legendary pokemon, almost all of which have some tie to nature that, when removed or altered, would cause havoc and threaten the very existence of mankind. Silph was a terrorist organization trying to cause chaos and possibly destroy the entire world through the manipulation of ghosts and legendary pokemon.
HEY LOOK, I CAN CREATE LOOSE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN UNRELATED THINGS AND MAKE UP DUMB STORIES TOO. LOLOLOLOL
And your’s make more sense!
i believe this one more than the original picture XD
I SHOULD MAKE A DUMB MEME TOO!
Suddenly it’s news that Giovanni was trying to catch ghost type pokemon to take down Mewtwo? Not to mention that Mr. Fuji and Blaine were the lead scientists on the Mewtwo project which was funded by Giovanni. AND that he was after the Master Ball at Silph. Co?
It’s news to me, seeing as Mewtwo and Team Rocket were never mentioned in the same context in the games.
Also Blaine had nothing to do with Mewtwo either.
This is whack.
save the world…..from the evil he created?
You have to be a big man to admit your own mistakes. He’s Japanese, for Arceus’s sake
But he has no squinty eyes, soooo
He’s Italian. He’s the leader of the world’s largest organized crime syndicate, and his name is Giovanni. GameFreak are racists…
His name is Sakaki in Japan.
Remember, Japan has its own form of organized crime, the Yakuza, that are very much like the mafia.
Or it could also be damage control, your test subject gets too powerful so you start catching ghost Pokemon and steal a master ball to be guaranteed to catch it and for a back-up plan
WOW! Nice job coming up with a completely original idea that is obviously true because its on the internet! And it totally hasn’t been done before by hundreds of people, including nuzlocke, http://www.nuzlocke.com/pokemonhardmode.php?p=48
^that.
^this
^That
Why does he need Silph Scope and Master Ball? Was the plan to capture Mewtwo? If so, no ghost Pokemon required given the Master Ball. Was the plan to capture some really good ghost Pokemon (not really existant in Gen 1 given the lack of powerful ghost moves)? No Master Ball required for that…
Mewtwo needed the masterball
Yup, Nuzlocke did it.
Huh, this was kind of the entire plot twist of the Fire Red Hard Mode. (Nuzlocke)
Should i bother pointing out all the plotholes here?
Nah, i’ll leave it to someone else this time
Read it from Nuzlocke Challenge comics.
And soursurfer, the kid in the game takes the master ball from Giovanni.
So giovanni has to make the silph scope. Or is it the other way around, first comes the master ball then the silph scope? I can’t remember.
You get the Silph Scope from the second encounter with Team Rocket in the Game Corner.
You get the Master Ball after defeating Giovanni in Silph Co. during the fourth encounter with Team Rocket.
Not to mention that Red totally did all that stuff after defeating Giovanni anyway.
This is so stupid… so he created mewtwo but wanted to capture to save the world?
/GiganticDoubleFacepalm
He wanted to create the most powerfull pokemon, capture it, and then use it to rule the world.
You idiot…
my Red did it for him
I can see lots of people have already said this, but this was stolen from Nuzlocke comics. Not cool.
Oh please, this is so old that Nuzlocke season 2 used it in the plot. It’s not new and surprising at all.
totally ripped from ruby’s nuzlocke
What, no mention of “The Sun Soul”? Pretty sure that author used the same plot (mind you, it’s been a while since I read the fic). Does no one else here ever browse through the FF.N archives?
i thought the Master Ball was a gift for saving the company. I didnt think Giovanni was after it
He explicitly tells you that’s what he invaded Silph Co. for.
To quote Jimmy Neutron:
“IT WAS YOUR STUPID FAULT WE NEEDED SAVING IN THE FIRST PLACE!”
Hahahahahahaha no. He wanted the Master ball to catch legendary Pokemon.
Team Rocket didn’t have anything to do with Mewtwo’s creation. That’s just in the anime…
this^ the TRUTH PEOPLE
also, they started it, they wanted to create the most powerful pokemon, and try to get it back. still evil has fck
If you would have read the Nuzlocke comics you would already know this.
I laugh at you all trying so hard to prove themselves right.
Congratulations, you just created the same plot device used in Nuzlocke’s Pokemon firered hard mode.
In 1st gen, not a single ghost move was super effective on psychics. Nice try.
yes, he was trying to save the world, AFTER DOOMING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! I don’t know how you guys see it, but the way I see it, that’s not saving the world, it’s cleaning up a mess you made.
He was trying to save the world, so he sent out mercenaries to steal and sometimes kill other people’s pokemon?
Not to mix fandoms here, but its pretty much the same thing as the Kingdom Hearts thing. You spend the whole series thinking the one who wanted power is really the bad guy when they actually wanted to save everything from utter destruction. Mewtwo was a good idea, until they gave it an enhanced mind and tried to trap it.
Essentially, mewtwo is human, and is one of the real villains, but there are far worse challenges to face than him.
Just my two cents.
Mewtwo the real villain?
Oh ok cuz, being a clone of another pokémon, and watching his friends die the other clones), living alone for so long within the darkness, and waking up on a twisted corrupted organization, was those sort of things that never make people bad…
Mewtwo is not evil… he is just misguided…. if he was really evil, he would come back from the first movie and kill everythign and everyone… including ash.
Since when is Kingdom Hearts like that?
I assume you’re referring to Ansem. The reason they were after him is because Xehanort was using his name. The fake Ansem was most definitely evil.
where is the five-star button for this
It’s funny because Mewtwo is the child of a Mew in the games. :U
Actually, Giovanni wouldn’t be saving the world by catching Mewtwo in the games. Giovanni just wanted the strongest pokemon to take over. Mewtwo was only peacefully living in a cave, not doing anything destructive.
What a load of crap.
Mewtwo is a psychic type though, genius.
yeah…
he got those ghost types in red/blue
so they could use shadow ball and not hit the psychic types
and get hit super effectively by psychic attacks as ghastly/haunter/gengar was the only chain and they were all poison and therefore weak to psychic…
Shadow ball was not in the original red/blue
what even? this meme is completely irrelevant. giovanni had the master ball to be able to catch mewtwo and become more powerful. mewtwo as depicted in pokemon: mewtwo returns. is living in a haven for the cloned pokemon and has changed his dark ways and all that since the first movie. just. stop. okay
actually the argument is valid, because as with most things in life, we understand more in time, when we didn’t understand them in the past, and so evolving out knowledge, such as how ghost pokemon are now good against psychics, (personally i would recommend the use of a dark type), and now that we understand more about the situation, mayby… just mayby… he truly was trying to stop mewtwo from destroying mankind. 50/50 chance at this point.
PREPARE FOR TROUBLE , MAKE IT DOUBLE !….. TO PROTECT THE WORLD FROM DEVASTATION ….SURRENDER NOW OR PREPARE TO FIGHT = could have possibly directed to Mewtwo = Mind blown
That’s ok, did it for ya.
Wow. We failed
um negative. he was going to use Mewtwo to rule the Pokemon world. nice try tho bro.
Trying to save the world? If Team Rocket was the responsible for Mewtwo existing, then Giovanni wasn’t trying to do anything but fixing the problem HE created, like entering a house with dirty soles and asking for a broom to clean up the mess he just did.